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    Simple Questions - July 14, 2021

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 05:00 AM PDT

    This thread is for simple questions that don't warrant their own thread (although we strongly suggest checking the sidebar and the wiki before posting!). Please don't post involved questions that are better suited to a [Build Help], [Build Ready] or [Build Complete] post.
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    • Is this RAM compatible with my motherboard?
    • I'm thinking of getting a ≤$300 graphics card. Which one should I get?
    • I'm on a very tight budget and I'm looking for a case ≤$50

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    How can I convince my parents to let me build a PC?

    Posted: 13 Jul 2021 06:38 PM PDT

    EDIT: Thank you for all the replies and the awards, y'all have been really helpful and I'll see what I can do with the info you've given me!

    I wanted to build a PC (~1000$CAD) and asked my parents about it, they said they won't let me buy it with my own money [either] because it would be a waste.

    Their points:

    If something doesn't work no one will accept it as their products fault

    If you buy prebuilt you get it from one guy instead of multiple

    You're overpaying for something you could get less (prebuilt)

    If you need a computer for, computer, then we'll get you a prebuilt. If you want to tinker 1k (CAD not USD) is too much

    If it doesn't work you (or us) just lost 1k.

    My points were mainly of quality and value from a personally assembled vs a prebuilt.

    PC I was thinking of building

    Edit: might not immediately be able to respond (internet issues)

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    4 sticks of RAM vs. 2

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 11:04 AM PDT

    So I'm building a new PC with a dark hero mb, 5900x, and been looking into RAM quite a bit. From what I've gathered, I need 3600Mhz and CL14 (Trident Z neo/royal).

    Can I get 2x16gb sticks and then get another 2x16 of the same ones after a month/two? Is 4x16 better than 2x32?

    Any help is appreciated, thanks!

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    Upgrading to R5 3600 for $100!

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 03:51 AM PDT

    https://imgur.com/gallery/gv85HEV

    Quick story time! My buddy knows little about PCs but I talked him into getting one last fall just before 3000 series released. He was always a console guy but now he admits he would never go back. He got a R5 3600, msi mpg x570 gaming edge wifi, team delta 3200 2x8 memory, gigabyte 2080 super, WD 1TB NVme, and an nzxt gold PSU in the h510i black red case.

    He plays warzone and wanted to upgrade to a 5000 series to get better frames at 144hz 1080 so he impulse bought a 5800x. He asked for my help installing it (as he honestly didn't even know what the cpu looked like or how small it was) and in exchange he would sell me him 3600 for $100! I would've helped him anyways but this was just icing on the cake. I have a 2600x in my system so I was happy to upgrade while also helping a friend!

    I know, not the most exciting story, but I had to share with someone and no better place than to share here. The install went great for his system which was built through the nzxt BLD I just had a little trouble with his cpu cooler, the pure rock slim. Man that thing sucks lol. I told him his next upgrade should be getting a 240 aio but that's another discussion 😂

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    For 6 months I thought my EVGA 3070 XC3 Ultra is loud as hell, only to realize it wasn't the GPU...

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 06:00 AM PDT

    TL;DR at the end.

    Let's start by saying I thought I'm competent in PC building. I've easily built more than a 100 of them, although only a small percent of them was high performance desktop PCs for friends, family and myself, most of them was simple office PCs.

    I've got my hands on an EVGA 3070 XC3 Ultra in January, and I was really disappointed with it's performance noise and temperature wise. Upgrading from the MSI 1080 Gaming X Trio which was very quiet even under heavy load, the only part I changed was the GPU and suddenly the PC got extremely loud.

    The case was a Fractal Design Define Mini C as I really like silent and relatively small computers. After fiddling with the fan curves, installing the latest bios on the card and trying slight undervolting, I accepted that this 3000 series is just really power hungry and the heat has to go somewhere. This case just won't do.

    So I researched a bit and decided to pull the trigger on a Phanteks Eclipse P400A, one of the coolest case according to gamersnexus' testing. I slapped three Noctua NF-S12A fans in for good measure, and you can imagine my surprise when this really didn't help much. The temps were much better, but still very loud under load.

    There was one very obvious sign that I missed. The noise didn't really align with the reported GPU fan RPMs, as it was getting louder without the RPMs increasing too much. I thought the card just has a funky way of reporting the RPM or something.

    I applied heavy undervolting with Afterburner, and found a point where I only lost like 10% performance, but the thing was relatively quiet. At least I now know that there is a lot of safety margin in the stock voltage curve, and you can aggressively undervolt them and keep stability, only lose a couple of frames and heavily lower the power consumption and temps.

    This worked for a couple of months, but summer came and suddenly it started to get really loud again under load.

    I was really disappointed in EVGA even though I've talked to a friend who had the same model and it was quiet for him. At this point there were reviews about the MSI 3070 Gaming X Trio and it looked like it's the coolest and most silent 3070 model, so I started to hunt. I found a new 3070 Ti LHR for a price lower than my card, so I quickly sold mine (a miner bought it in an hour) and ordered this card (also made $200 by switching).

    It arrived and... it was worse! For a couple of minutes it was quiet, at around 1250 RPM and 62-63 Celsius, but then it started to get really loud again... but the RPM was only around 1300?!

    I thought maybe one of the fans are defective? So I laid down next to the pc to investigate...

    The noise localized to the bottom of the case... Yeah, the side panel probably relocates it that's why I hear it from there, I thought... At this point I was still oblivious to the real issue.

    I take off the side panel... and the noise is still coming from the bottom... At this point I start to realize...

    I touch the three fans of the GPU, they come to a full stop... and the noise is still there...

    It's not coming from the GPU.

    It's the PSU.

    My Seasonic M12II Evo 620W was struggling to provide enough power to these beasts (to be fair it managed to do it), and tried not to overheat... The poor thing.

    I remembered as it's 650W, and while I knew MSI recommended a 750W PSU, I've read some review where they measured and concluded that 650W would suffice. I also did not have stability problems and would have guessed that's the first sign that my PSU is underpowered.

    I felt so stupid, I bought a new case, and a new GPU because it didn't click that the PSU could be overheating, even though there were signs (RPMs not being too high and not correlating with the noise for one).

    Learn from my mistake.

    I did some digging and ordered a Seasonic Focus PX 850W, I'm pretty sure this will suffice.

    TL;DR I thought my GPU is loud, so I bought a new case, new fans and even a new GPU, only to realize it was the PSU all along.

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    Ive been running on a pre-built potato for nearly 6 years now. I got gifted a second hand 1080 for my birthday and Im trying to build a fairly basic rig around it.

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 02:43 PM PDT

    I dont need anything too fancy. Just like a medium-range all-rounder for a bit of gaming and a bit of work.

    I play some games but currently have to have all of the graphic settings on minimum and still get low 20fps. It would be nice to be able to have 60fps and tun the graphics settings up.

    Ive got this so far and i would be really graterful for any comments:

    [PCPartPicker Part List](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3CtHHz)

    Type|Item|Price

    :----|:----|:----

    **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 3.9 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/qryV3C/amd-ryzen-7-3800x-39-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000025box) | £259.99 @ Amazon UK

    **Motherboard** | [Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/vFhmP6/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-wi-fi-atx-am4-motherboard-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-wi-fi) | £169.59 @ Amazon UK

    **Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/p6RFf7/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3200c16) | £79.98 @ Scan.co.uk

    **Storage** | [Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Zxw7YJ/samsung-970-evo-plus-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v7s1t0bam) | £130.63 @ Amazon UK

    **Storage** | [\*Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Zxw7YJ/samsung-970-evo-plus-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v7s1t0bam) | £130.63 @ Amazon UK

    **Video Card** | [Asus GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB STRIX Video Card](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/vzfmP6/asus-video-card-strixgtx1080o8ggaming) |-

    **Power Supply** | [Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/6Y66Mp/corsair-rm-2019-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020195-na) | £79.99 @ Scan.co.uk

    | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |

    | **Total** | **£850.81**

    | \*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria |

    | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2021-07-14 22:36 BST+0100 |

    1) Will this run?

    2) Will it run most games at 60fps and decent graphics?

    I would welcome any comments or feedback you awesome people have. Please let em know if Ive messed anything up.

    p.s. One of the SSDs is a placeholder. I was planning on taking the SSD from my current PC and transferring it over so that I keep most of my stuff and hopefully wont have to buy a new OS.

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    I’ve made a mistake

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 01:28 PM PDT

    I've made a huge mistake by not checking the psu's cabble endslots The current setup: Msi mpg z390 gaming plus With gigabyte gtx 1060 3 gb wind force 2x8gb kingstone hyperx 2666mhz ram Intel i7-9700kf Cooler master elite v3 600w

    The problem : the psu's cabble doesnt support my gpu Can you guys reccommend a budget psu OR a good gpu for this setup?

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    Reboot and select proper boot device

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 02:48 PM PDT

    I have just finished building my Pc, and when I plugged it into my screen, all the computer will do is say "reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key" I can't access BIOS, as when I press f5 (or any other key) all I get is the same message. How do I fix this? My motherboard is a msi b365, my hard drive is a Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

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    Turn off mouse acceleration, please!

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 02:22 AM PDT

    Firstly please note this post is mainly relevant to people that use their computers for gaming, but could be interesting to others. Also I apologize if this post is deemed irrelevant to this sub however I felt that it would be appreciated here.

    Yeah I know, this is a pretty well known fact. However, somehow for the past 6 years since I got my first gaming computer, I have not known about mouse acceleration. I have watched excessive amounts of computer building related content, as well as gaming youtubers, and more and not once have I ever heard anyone talk about mouse acceleration. Maybe I am the one guy on planet earth that doesn't know that you need to turn mouse acceleration off for FPS (and other) games. A friend was using my setup a few weeks back and he picked up on it immediately and turned it off. Since then, my aim and overall efficiency in all games has greatly improved. I can't believe I've been battling with mouse acceleration for so long.

    Hopefully no one else is as silly as me but if you were, at least you know now.

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    How different does 1440p, and 2160p look while gaming?

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 03:17 AM PDT

    Okay, so I made a reddit to ask this question so I can know what I'm doing for a PC. So, how different does the two resolutions look when gaming? Is it massive, or barely noticeable. I'm a visuals gamer so I'm trying to figure out the answer to this question because building a 2160p machine is a lot more expensive than 1440p. I don't mind, but if the difference aren't too jarring when I play on ultra settings (disregarding FPS) I'll just get a 1440p screen.

    Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this question. I would check for myself but I don't necessarily have anything below 4k screen wise in my home besides my phone, and 1080 laptop.

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    Is the Odysey G5 worth it?

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 06:53 AM PDT

    I found a summer sale where i can get a brand new one for 250€ (tax included). Should i buy it, or look for another monitor

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    AIO suggestions (h710, 3700x)

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 12:33 PM PDT

    hi my mans,

    I've built my pc but the fans do be loud, so I'm replacing the stock intakes soon and the rear exhaust which is 3pin will be replaced as well -

    but the stock wraith prism needs a worthy replacement, one of neat-ness and not completely ugly (sorry noctua). at idle im looking 36C on my 3700x in a H710 (the hot box), which is great apart from the noise, a noise so persistent that even 4-5 metres away or in the hallway next to the room you can hear the hum and buzz

    so basically anyone got a suggestion for a top mounted 360mm radiator on an am4 socket (x570-f) that looks aight and performs better than my god tier wraith prism with the cool looking spinny fan that's equivalent to a high-bypass turbofan

    thanks my mans

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    any AMD Users experiencing FPS Drops in Performance Mode?

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 12:29 PM PDT

    hi. got a question to the active Fortnite players who use performance mode with AMD GPU, do you also have massive FPS drops but only in performance mode? E.g. when jumping out of the bus, when landing in a city down to 60 FPS but no problems on DirectX12? For a few months now, I have had the problem that I have the above-mentioned problems in performance mode. Would like to continue playing Performance Mode as it has a few playful advantages.

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    Swapping out a Motherboard

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 01:46 PM PDT

    I just bought a new motherboard because my current one doesn't have usb-c and I need it for a certain thing, is there any problems when you switch motherboards or anything I should know before? I've never done this and I'm trying to be cautious so I don't mess anything up.

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    Final list build.I need advice if it's good or I just did a horrible just picking out parts.

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 10:58 AM PDT

    MSI 3070 vs 3070 TI

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 03:08 PM PDT

    I can't find any reviews for the gaming x trio 3070 ti anywhere.... All of the professional reviews seem to be 3070 for gaming x trio or suprim x for 3070ti.

    I only care about noise levels in this. I have a sealed tuf 3070, which is known to have great noise levels and cool temps. 3070 Gaming x trio is also known for great temps and noise levels.

    Generally, the ti cards are warmer and louder, so that is what worries me about the msi. The suprim x 3070 ti is very quiet, however. But just can't find anything where the same person compares 3070 and 3070 ti for noise levels...

    Since I was able to get 10% off of the msi 3070 ti, as long as it's not hugely louder, I'd be tempted to keep that instead of the asus. I'd break even in price basically. Would have to have LHR and only slight gains in performance, so I dunno. Just kind of hate to let the msi go, though, and reselling is a waste really on any 3070 ti.

    If only I had been able to get the strix 3080... They barely had it in stock before it was gone. Could have gotten that for $999 due to my coupon.

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    Need advice on what parts to choose for my first build

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 10:52 AM PDT

    Alright so I know next to nothing about pcs only the basics. I have a budget of about 1100€ for a pc that will mostly be used for VR gaming such as Beat Saber and VRChat. I would like it to run other games smoothly at 1080p 60 fps at least. The problem with the current gpu prices is troubling but I am willing to wait a while for the prices to drop so keep that in mind. Also the motherboard has to have wifi. Is a build like this possible with my current budget?

    any help is appreciated :)

    (responses might be a bit slow and like I said I know next to nothing about pcs so please be patient with me)

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    Replacement cables for FSP Hydro G 850W PSU

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 12:18 PM PDT

    I have a Lenovo pre-built that has an FSP Hydro G 850 PSU. I am wondering where I could find replacement cables for the PCIe connectors. I contacted Lenovo, who routed me to their parts replacement group, who said the cables are like $240, which is a bit crazy (when they said "two-forty", I thought they meant $2.40, but they clarified).

    I also contacted FSP asking about cables, but they never got back to me.

    I also couldn't find any on Amazon.

    So I'm wondering if anybody might know if it's possible to get cables for this PSU.

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    First ever build, advice needed

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 02:27 PM PDT

    The time has finally come!

    Where i live we have a limited market of pc components, but i still wanted to buy localy because of warranty, So all of the prices are set to how much i am paying in Euros.

    In the parts list i listed a 970 which i use in my current pc, but when gpu prices drop i am planning to upgrade to a 3060 Ti.

    Im really curious what are your thoughts, and i would appreciate any kind of advice.

    https://pcpartpicker.com/user/OrangeYO/saved/#view=tDwQP6

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    No Power After Build

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 12:08 PM PDT

    I have finished my build and I plugged in the power supply and flipped the switch on the psu. No led lights turned on for the motherboard and when I pressed the case power button nothing happened. Parts: Motherboard: MPG Z490 Gaming Plus PSU: Corsair RM850x I have checked the cables running from the power supply to motherboard and I believe they're all correct. The outlet works. And I know the motherboard should have LEDs on when it receives power. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm going crazy over here. Edit: the issue is not with the front panel. The case power button doesn't work but the motherboard Leds aren't even turning on which should happen right when it gets power

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    Cascading failure of PC components? Problem getting progressively worse

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 10:18 AM PDT

    Summary: Over the last few days my computer has gone from monitors randomly shutting off more and more frequently, to the GPU not being recognized, to now the CPU overheating and the comp not booting past bios what so ever.

    GPU/maybe driver issue: Very first sign of trouble was when my monitors random shut off a week ago with the computer still running, I force restarted my computer and thought nothing of it. As the days progressed it happened more and more frequently, so I thought it was a driver issue. Completely uninstalled nvidia driver, and reinstalled - same issue would happen when I played games. Tried reseating my GPU, had the same issue. Tried a few other older drivers and had the same issue. Did a full reformat and the problem persisted. At this point I'm worried it's a hardware issue, but the computer is still booting up fine.

    Then rebooting the computer stopped fixing the monitors. I had to plug a monitor directly into the mobo to interact with it.

    CPU/fan going ham: So I'm thinking it's my GPU failing until randomly one restart I hear the fans spinning really fast. Faster than I've ever heard them and it won't get past the bios screen warning me that my CPU temps are really high. 89c and 6k rpm on cpu fan.

    Would anyone know what these symptoms mean in regards to what's wrong? I'm having a hard time pin pointing where the initial problem is because it seemed to jump from GPU to CPU.

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    How can I convince my parents to let me build a PC?

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 02:37 AM PDT

    So, I've been wanting to build a pc (1000$), more or less. But my parents don't agree. Not because it's too expensive (although cost is a factor), but because of the following:

    If something happens, you'll have to troubleshoot and stuff.

    When you find the culprit, you'll have to ship, which is more than the item itself.

    Building pc's is old and people buy prebuilts now (I absolutely disagree)

    Sometimes the company won't honor the warranty, and they'll say you misused the item.

    You could break an item while building (not believable from the videos and tutorials I've watched. My friends have also built pc's and we're all under 15.

    I want you guys to prove these points wrong. Possible?

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    Small form factor Pc for wife wanting to do video editing

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 11:29 AM PDT

    Hello r/buildapc long time since I visited due to the insanity of parts. But I'm here with an idea of a build for my wife only a few things matter to her most are superficial. I'm the one concerned with the hardware as she wants this to get into photo/video editing, mainly photo but some video. Here are her primary concerns:

    1. She wants it to look sleek. I talked her out of a iMac which is the all in one. I said I can't upgrade, it's overpriced, low on storage and memory, and I can't troubleshoot it effectively.

    2. She wants the tower out of sight. That's why she wanted the all in one. I convinced her on mITX.

    3. Lots of storage and responsiveness

    I linked what I'm proposing for now but would love money saving tips and better components worth the money specific to photo and video editing. Also if y'all know of some software we should download for free or purchase I'm interested in that too.

    Hardware wise I went with 32GB of 3200 RAM, 1TB nvme drive for software and 2TB of SSD storage for pictures and videos. I'll expand this to a HUD for photos and videos that go into long term storage should she run out of space down the line. I went with a 6 core cpu as I'm unsure if 8 is needed for strictly photo and video editing. I have a 1070 laying around I'll pop into it so went with a SFX 650w PSU. If you can give further advice I'd greatly appreciate it. TIA!!

    parts list

    Edit: wife sent this Mac the $1700 version so I'm trying to explain to her what can be gained from a build both function and budget get wise

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    Horrendous coil whine on newly installed PSU, have I done something wrong or is it just faulty?

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 01:38 PM PDT

    My PSU died in my PC a few days ago so I got a replacement PSU and installed it, the PSU was the same watt and almost the exact same model, I did this because I've never replaced/installed a PSU before so I went down the safe route

    I replaced an old Corsair RM1000i with a RM1000x (scan refurbished), I just used the original cables that are tied into my case, the only thing I noticed was different is that the new PSU didn't have a C link port so I left that cable loose

    Problem is, is that the new PSU is emitting horrendous coil whine under load, it's louder than all my case fans at max speeds combined, it's impossible to keep it's that bad

    What I want to know is, is the PSU faulty? or did I somehow install it wrong, did I plug the cables in the wrong slots etc.

    I'll link a video showing the issue if that's allowed, any help would be great, thank you!

    https://streamable.com/8z1il2

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    Mouse cursor freezes and then moves frozen distance a second later

    Posted: 14 Jul 2021 01:37 PM PDT

    So, for the past week or so I've been having an issue with my Logitech G5.

    Whenever I play games, the mouse often freezes and then suddenly jumps about a second later. It always jumps the exact distance I moved it when it was frozen.
    Especially in FPS games this is quite annoying because this obviously affects my aim.

    Is this issue related to the age of the mouse (I've had it for years, and my dad before that for years as well) or is it a software issue that can be fixed?

    Thanks in advance for your help.

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