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    Build a PC: Simple Questions - December 28, 2019


    Simple Questions - December 28, 2019

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 04:09 AM PST

    This thread is for simple questions that don't warrant their own thread (although we strongly suggest checking the sidebar and the wiki before posting!). Please don't post involved questions that are better suited to a [Build Help], [Build Ready] or [Build Complete] post. Examples of questions:

    • Is this RAM compatible with my motherboard?
    • I'm thinking of getting a GTX 1070. Which one should I get?
    • I'm on a very tight budget and I'm looking for a case < $50

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    Ryzen 5 3600 and MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC not booting anymore.

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 07:33 AM PST

    It was working flawlessly for almost a month with XMP enabled (3200MHz), until one day it suddenly turned off while it was setting on the desktop screen doing nothing, after that i tried to turn it back on but CPU Debug LED continuously
    turned on with no post or display at all and all the fans (case, cpu and gpu) and RGB lights (mobo, RAM's and case fans) was running normally and all of them are plugged to the motherboard, i tried turning on and off many times without success until i removed the RAM and battery from the motherboard and shorted CMOS reset pins (JBAT1) and put everything back together "twice" then it booted the second time to bios so i enabled XMP again and that's it, i got to windows normally and passed the day without any crashes or what so ever and turn it off like i do everyday before i go to sleep, the next day i tried to turn it on and CPU Debug LED turned on again "dead end", i tried removing ram and battery and reset CMOS many times but it didn't boot again after that.

    For the sake of time i'll just list what i did try :

    1. Performed CMOS reset by removing battery for up to 2 hours and shorting JBAT1 pins as i made sure the motherboard was drained out of power completely.
    2. Tried one stick of RAM across all the 4 DIMM slots of the motherboard and i did that for each RAM stick i have.
    3. Tried to boot without RAM, in this case the CPU Debug LED turns off and DRAM Debug LED turns on continuously instead.
    4. Tried to boot without GPU.
    5. Removed M.2 drive with SATA drives plugged in.
    6. Removed SATA drives with M.2 drive plugged in.
    7. Removed both M.2 and SATA drives.
    8. Tried to boot outside the case with everything unplugged except for CPU, RAM and power.
    9. Tried restarting using PSU switch more that 20 times.
    10. Tried turning off, drain power, turn on again more than 20 times.
    11. Tried to leave the motherboard in CPU Debug LED turned on state for more than 3 hours but no change happens.
    12. Checked cabling multiple times.
    13. Disassembled everything and reassembled it again.
    14. Flashed different versions of bios using USB Flashback.
    15. Tried different PSU, RAM and CPU (Ryzen 2200G).

    All of this didn't even get the PC to post or display anything while all the fans and RGB seemed to be working normally.

    Notes:

    • The case Power button LED polarity got reversed on the motherboard (- became + and + became -) after the first sudden shutdown.
    • Restart pins does not work when the motherboard is stuck on CPU Debug LED state.
    • When i flash to a bios version that does not support Ryzen 3000 the CPU Debug LED on the motherboard does not switch to DRAM Debug LED even if i try to boot without RAM.

    At this point i think i ran out of options and the only solution is to return or replace this motherboard, besides i noticed while searching for solutions that this problem hits MSI the most so i'll be avoiding this brand in the future as this was my first PC build.

    My PC specs:

    • CPU : Ryzen 5 3600.
    • GPU : MSI RADEON HD 6670 V2 (upgrading as soon as possible).
    • Motherboard : MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC.
    • RAM : CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO 2x8GB 3200MHz (CMW16GX4M2C3200C16) listed on QVL.
    • PSU : BeQuiet Dark Power PRO 11 1000W plat.
    • STORAGE : 256GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus + 500GB HDD.
    • CASE : ASUS GT501.

    If you guys have any kind of information or suggestions you are welcome, and Thank you everyone.

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    Even experienced people do dumb stuff.

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 06:58 AM PST

    I've been building PC's for 25+ years. I just completed a build for my brother in law. I noticed that when doing the parts test outside the case with the stock cooler CPU temp was 44c. Once I put everything in with the 360mm AIO my temps jumped to 60c. I assumed a bad paste application and took the cooler back off only to find the plastic still on the block.

    tl;dr; I didn't follow the instructions because I knew better, but I apparently didn't.

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    Is it worth upgrading from an i5-4460 to a Ryzen 5 3600?

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 06:59 AM PST

    Is this a big enough increase in performance to warrant the upgrade? Thinking of pairing the R5 3600 with an MSI B450 Tomahawk Max and 16gb of Corsair Vengeance 3200 Mhz CL16. Thanks in advance!

    Edit - PC is used primarily for gaming at 1080p 144hz. Budget is around £400 for CPU, motherboard and RAM. My PC seems to struggle during CPU intensive games, can stutter and usaully sits at 100% on all four cores. I've read that eight core CPUs will be more suited to the next generation consoles so it is worth getting a 3700x over 3600?

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    PLEASE secure your important data with the 3 copy rule

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 12:24 AM PST

    I STRONGLY recommend buying a 500gb hard drive, putting everything important on it like login information, documents, photos, projects, and anything important on it. Additionally, buy a USB drive and put everything which is especially important to you on it.

    The logic behind triple backup is that you're almost guaranteed to have one storage failure in your computer's lifetime - and lesser so double failure on a backup drive. However, if you have everything also on a USB, it's VERY UNLIKELY you will lose your data on all 3 sources before being able to back it up again.

    I recently lost all of my FLStudio music projects and was fuming over it.

    I bought an SSD based Corsair Voyager GTX USB 3.1 storage device, 128GB with fucking crazy read/write speeds and am very very pleased with it. The best $40 I spent in my life aside from my current 500gb SATA SSD (I bought the USB on sale).

    Back up your data, people. You'll thank yourself later when one or two of your drives fail.

    Here's the link to the $50 Corsair Voyager, the fastest USB drive on the market (to my knowledge, I'd be happy to know about faster ones because I want more). This drive looks very clean and feels amazing to hold, it's way larger and heavier than you expect - about 250 grams aluminum housing and about twice the size of a standard flash drive.

    Edit: forgot the damn link https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079NVJPKV/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_X8WbEbDZWC2XV

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    it’s official! first build completed :)

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 09:32 AM PST

    Hello all! i just wanted to thank everyone for the tremendous help involving my build. honestly, i don't think it would have been possible without this community so thank you! specs and pictures below, comment if you have any questions! thanks again and hopefully everyone enjoyed their chistmas/hanukkah.

    pictures -

    https://imgur.com/gallery/zlluzGL

    specs -

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3wcFPn

    Ryzen 7 3700x - MSI MPG x570 Gaming Edge - Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB 3200 - RTX 2060 Super - Crucial MX500 1 TB - NZXT H510i - Corsair RMx 650 W - LG 28WK600-W (29" Ultrawide - 75hz - 1080p)

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    After weeks of research, I have finally finished (probably) My midrange gaming PC build: One of the best for the price rn imo (theoretically) Initial price: $1600 AUD + ~$400 for some added stuff later (peripherals and extras)

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 08:35 AM PST

    PCPartPicker Part List

    Type Item Price
    CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $211.20 @ Newegg Australia
    CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler $57.00 @ Shopping Express
    Thermal Compound Noctua NT-H1 3.5 g Thermal Paste $11.00 @ Austin Computers
    Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $179.00 @ Shopping Express
    Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $111.10 @ Newegg Australia
    Storage HP EX920 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $187.00 @ Newegg Australia
    Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB OC Video Card $379.00 @ Centre Com
    Case Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case $149.00 @ PCCaseGear
    Power Supply Corsair RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $145.00 @ Shopping Express
    Monitor AOC C24G1 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor $259.00 @ Austin Computers
    Keyboard Corsair K68 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard $129.00 @ Mwave Australia
    Mouse Logitech G502 HERO Wired Optical Mouse $89.00 @ Amazon Australia
    Headphones Philips SHP9500 Headphones -
    Speakers Creative Labs Pebble 2.0 4.4 W 2.0 Channel Speakers $35.00 @ Umart
    Custom V-MODA BoomPro Gaming, VoIP Headset Headphone with Mic (Black) $48.12 @ Amazon Australia
    Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
    Total $1989.42
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-29 02:25 AEDT+1100

    I'm posting for two reasons; to see if it can be improved, and to possibly give people planning to build soon a decent sample. I will talk about all my decisions but you don't need to read that, I just want to elaborate as I'm pretty keen.

    CPU - Ryzen 5 2600X: The upgrade to the mid-range king. I only went for the X instead of the normal one is because of a good local deal, but otherwise, go for the value; R5 2600. Obviously Intel is out of the picture for this price range.

    CPU Cooler* - CM Hyper 212 RGB black: The cooler will be bought later to get the pc faster. In the meanwhile, the stock cooler will be used. I will only overclock (moderately) after getting the 212. This cooler has lots of value. Averaging almost a 20 degree drop from the stock cooler at less than $60 AUD, it's arguably the best budget cooler, and perfect for me as I will not OC very much. The design is also slim, all black, and with decent RGB it actually looks good too. You also get control of the speed, and RGB functions. Overall GREAT cooler.

    Thermal Paste - Noctua NT-H1: A very solid thermal paste. Can stay on CPU for three years and there is enough for multiple applications, it's also not electrically conductive and can be easily applied. You could also go for the H2 for 9 more dollars if you want to drop temps even more (2 degrees).

    Mobo - MSI B450 Tomahawk Max: This is probably my most contested part and there is a lot to go through here, but to keep it short I'll list some of the reasons I got it and some of the reasons I might get something else. Reasons for; Cheap, USB 3.0, Upgradable to series 3000 Ryzen with no BIOS. Against: Only 1 m.2 slot, B450, no wifi or bluetooth.

    RAM - TYPO, supposed to be: Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200hz 2x8: Not much to talk about here. Reliable company, standard 2x8, 3200hz is best value to speed for mobo as of time of writing.

    SSD - HP EX920 1tb: There was a lot of options here, 860 evo, MX500, Crucial P1 and more. But this drive is probably some of the best value in the whole SSD market rn. It outperforms both the MX500 and 860 Evo by more than 200% in r/w speed and only costs 10-30 dollars more. It only performs slightly better than the P1 but the P1 cannot handle larger data transfers, has a decent hit in performance when drive is nearly full. It also degrades faster. So all-in-all the HP EX920 is clear winner.

    GPU: - 1660 SUPER Gygabyte OC: Pretty much the best mid-range GPU, depending on preferences and budget, you could save some money on other parts of the build to get a 2060/2070/5700 but I'm fine with this.

    Case - Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital: This one is all about preference. I was between this and some of the NZXT 500 series cases but I decided I liked this aesthetic a bit more. Both options have good airflow, cable management and aesthetics.

    PSU - Corsair RMx (2018) 550W Gold Fully Modular: Widely regarded as one of the best PSU's it has an average price, gold efficiency and its fully modular. You could get something cheaper but I'm very paranoid to the PSU blowing up the whole system so I'm happy with this one. Got a bit of extra wattage in there to have room for OC and I read somewhere that PSU's run more efficiently if the power draw is not close to the max output. (My terminology isn't the best, I know..)

    From this point on its completely up to preference

    Monitor - AOC C24G1: The cheapest 1080p, 144hz, freesync monitor. It also has a pretty good response time (Advertised G2G RT is 1ms but I'm slightly sceptical). It's also curved and has pretty thin bezels. The red on the bottom might be a turn off. There is also a 27inch model which I'm considering, but have been told that 27inch doesn't look good at 1080p.

    Keyboard* - Corsair K63 : Will be bought later as I already have one. I have tried this keyboard as a friend has it and I just love the feel and looks off it. The price was good so thats how I made that decision.

    Mouse*: Logitech G502 Hero: This is the most uncertain piece of hardware on the list. I don't really play MOBA's nearly as much as shooters and this mouse looks like it's better for moba's. I like the shape, the adjustable weight and the programable buttons but I feel like something lighter with a bit less buttons would be ideal. I was also pondering at the thought of a wireless mouse but they are a lot more expensive. I'm a claw style grip with average hand size and don't mind a mouse with a bit of weight but I'm not too sure how heavy the G502 Hero is.

    Headset + Mic* - Phillips SHP9500 + V-Moda Boompro: Won't get straight away as I already have a headset (It's trash but it works). This combo has been featured in many videos because of it's sheer value (value really is a recurring theme huh) I have tried the headphones and they are NICE, great sound, light clamping force, big earpads and an open-back design is perfect as my ears always get hot. The open back might be a turn off for some though. The mic sounds great but my only concern is that it will pickup the noise from my keyboard.

    Speakers* - Creative LabsPebble 2.0: Will be getting the last as they are not necessary. Just a pair of neat little speakers if for some reason I don't want to wear headphones or want to play sound out loud. QUESTION, will I need a sound card? If so, what are some recommendations.

    Thats it. If you read that whole thing then I just want to appreciate you, and I'm happy to receive any feedback or recommendations. I could post how I'm going to optimise performance and customise the PC if anyone is curious but I doubt anyone will want to continue reading what I write about for a while.

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    Electrical Current felt all over the case after turning off.

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 06:53 AM PST

    Hi, its been a 3 days since i've finished my build. I can't seem to pinpoint the culprit. It will only come up when i turn off the pc, then turn of the switch in power strip. Maybe the pc is not grounded well, since i live in a country where the outlet are just 2 pronged outlet. I'm using adapter on my power strip with a 3rd prong. Is this an 'okay'? What do you suggest i'd do to remove this?

    EDIT: Its just tingly feeling, not a ouchy ones. Its enough that you can be sure that theres an electricity.

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    Does set CPU affinity when playing games affect anything in long term?

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 03:45 AM PST

    I play a game called Black Desert. It's a badly-optimized game so it needs some "special" setting.

    I intend to follow this guide and set CPU affinity on the game to get better performance.

    Will this harm the age of my CPU? Looks like the guide recommended to use 3 threads only.

    I'm using ryzen 5 2600x

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    I Would Like to Thank This Subreddit With All of my Heart

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 02:07 PM PST

    I am now able to play games I would never have imagined on PC. I grew up fairly poor, never had a good PC until now. This shows in my Steam Library. Almost everything in my Steam Library are indie games that don't require a competent PC.

    My Build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6NnMFG

    This PC wouldn't been possible without you guys giving advice on everything I asked.

    EDIT: Ignore the 3000 Corsair memory, it's not being used.

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    How bad have i fucked up?

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 10:15 AM PST

    For context, 3 years ago i built a pc with an ace 650w power supply for the last year i have ben running a i5 9600k in a Gigabyte z390 UD and an rx 460. A few days ago i upgraded to a gtx 1080 gaming x 8gb from msi and worked fine using a 6 pin pci power from the psu and a dual molex to 8 pin pci power. Today i could smell a burny smell and my pc shut off. Now when i turn the psu switch on the leds on my mouse and keyboard turn on like they did before with the psu on without the pc itself on However when i press the power button the led on my pci wifi expantion turns on for a brief moment and turns off, no fan spin or anything. I initially thought my psu was dead but now im thinking about it i am slightly confused. What could have happened and what can i do from here as if the psu has died what has died down the pipeline? Thanks, Dead

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    PC Build for 1700$

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 10:55 AM PST

    I am upgrading from a laptop. Have been collecting money for a long time. I have about 1700$ for the PC. Will be playing 1440p at 144hz. I don't need a lot of storage. Only like 1TB or something.

    Which is the best PC I could build at this price?

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    I'm about to build my first PC. Someone recommended this build to me a while ago, and it fits my budget almost perfectly. (A little over budget, but it will do.) Looking for second opinions before I finalize, and hit buy, though, because this is the biggest purchase I've ever made.

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 10:49 AM PST

    game not using enough gpu?

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 01:32 PM PST

    i'm playing rdr2 and the game is using up 30% of my cpu about 4GB of RAM and 0% of my gpu

    I'm not sure what is up with that and I wanted to know if its possible to increase it due to low fps

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    Should I get a 1080p or 1440p monitor?

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 01:32 PM PST

    This is my build, should I buy a 1080p or 1440p 144hz monitor?

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    Upgrade OS from 7 to 10 then install new hardware, or install new hardware then upgrade OS?

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 01:32 PM PST

    I'm going to finally move from Win 7 to 10 since support is ending soon, and figured it would be a good time to replace my old i5-3450. I'm just not sure of the order that I should do things.

    A: Upgrade from 7 to 10 with current hardware installed. Then replace hardware after I confirm Win 10 is running.

    B: Upgrade hardware first, then upgrade OS afterward.

    C: Some other way I'm not aware of

    Thoughts?

    Edit: Will be replacing CPU, Mobo and RAM

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    Am I limiting my CPU or GPU with my MOBO? Should I upgrade?

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 01:01 PM PST

    Will I see more performance by upgrading my MOBO to something more expensive?

    Specs:

    MOBO: MSi B450 Tomahawk MAX AM4

    CPU: Ryzen 7 3700x

    GPU: Sapphire RX 5700 XT Nitro+

    Memory: Corsair RGB Vengeance Pro 16GB (2x8)

    Cooling: 3 Corsair LL RGB Exhaust fans, 2 Corsair LL RGB on Platinum H100i Platinum SE

    PSU: PSU: Corsair RM 650x Fully-Modular

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    I'm too scared to build my pc

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 02:16 PM PST

    I'm building my first ever gaming pc next tuesday, and I am so scared.. Are there any preparations I have to do in order to not get nervous and build it safely. Are there any parts where it takes a lot of force to build??

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    GPU normal or mini

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 02:04 PM PST

    I cant tell if a normal with fit or if I'll need mini https://imgur.com/gallery/M0otkpu

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    Any worthy upgrades for new build

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 11:50 AM PST

    I'm planning a new pc build and may have an extra ~£80 to spend on it. My current plan is: Ryzen 5 2600x | B450 Gaming Plus Max | 8gb ddr4 3000 corsair vengeance 8x1 (plan to buy more for dual chanel) | Xfx rx 590 xxx | Wd green 240gb m.2 ssd | Deepcool MATREXX 55 atx mid tower | Be quiet! System power 9 500w |

    Questions: Should i upgrade the cpu? | Should i buy extra ram for dual channel? | Should i buy a better gpu? | Switch ssd? | Is the case good? | Should i change to an xfx rx 580 xxx - saves about £20

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    Lost a PCIe cable and I need help not frying my power supply.

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 02:01 PM PST

    Hey guys! Basically I have a 550w EVGA Supernova G3 power supply and I need to buy a new 8 or 6+2 pin PCIe cable but I need to know if this would be compatible?

    I would buy the 1st party set but I really don't have the money to spend, especially since I only need one of the many cables it comes with.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8pin-pcie-Black-Sleeved-PSU-Cable-EVGA-Silverstone-Coolermaster-Seasonic-Corsair-/201467235485?nav=SEARCH)

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    Help with setting up 144hz for Benq xl2411 (Noobie and all the names for cables confuse me)

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 01:56 PM PST

    I've been trying to do research but all this vocabulary is throwing in for a loop. Could someone direct me to the type of cable I need to enable 144hz or max amount i possibly can?

    My Video Card is : https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Dragon-Radeon-5700-Graphics/dp/B07WRVWNMY/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=PowerColor+Red+Dragon+Radeon+Rx+5700+8GB+GDDR6+Graphics+Card&qid=1577568445&s=electronics&sr=1-2

    and my monitor is: https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/product/monitor/xl/xl2411.html

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    nzxt h700 or the Lian Li Lancool 2

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 01:55 PM PST

    im not sure which case is better as i know the lian li case is slighly cheaper. I want to be able to fit a custom water loop in the future and i want a case with good airflow and good cable managment. I know both are good at those but which is better

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    Need help with costs, are there parts I’m going too big on for what I want?

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 01:50 PM PST

    I'm trying to plan out a build, but think I may be going too far with parts with what I want. My budget is around $600-$700, and I'm aiming for 60fps on high settings and plan on using it for mostly indie or non intensive stuff (rocket league, rimworld, Tf2, etc.) any more intensity stuff I'd be willing to turn down to medium settings. So far I have this planned out: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8pBPn7

    Anything in the list I should go lower on for what I want?

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    Do I need to reapply thermal paste?

    Posted: 28 Dec 2019 07:02 AM PST

    Im transferring my components to a new case. I have a Corsair h100i that came with thermal paste pre-applied. I plan on taking the heatsink off of the CPU when I transfer cases. Do I need to add more thermal paste when I put it back on?

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