Build a PC: Simple Questions - August 12, 2021 |
- Simple Questions - August 12, 2021
- How to ship a (already built) PC overseas
- Is it worth having two GPU's?
- I know this is probably a dumb question
- Is my airflow correct?
- First Pc
- Is the RX6600 xt worth it?
- 5600x +3070Ti vs 5800x+3060Ti for editing or less RAM
- No display or power to mouse and key board
- Ryzen 5000 BIOS compatibility and you. An in depth guide including RMA Rates for 500 series boards, how common incompatible BIOS actually are, and why you need to stop panicking over the BIOS.
- How does wake-on-lan technology work?
- i have ordered the following gfx card, motherboard pc case will i need a card brace
- 32 GB Ram Worth It?
- Is there anything wrong with the NZXT H510?
- iGPU to reduce heat
- 5950x or 5900x
- PC thinks my monitor is an ultrawide with out of range error
- PC crashing when exiting games/going from high load to low load
- Question
- What GPU temperature should I pay attention to? GPU Hotspot or GPU Temperature
- Difference between these RAM?
- Found a old Pentium g620 what can I do with it?
- Are AMD cards worth it?
- Ever since upgrading to a NVMe SSD, I get random blue screens with WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR
- I believe my GPU or PSU is dying; how can I figure out which one?
| Simple Questions - August 12, 2021 Posted: 12 Aug 2021 05:00 AM PDT This thread is for simple questions that don't warrant their own thread (although we strongly suggest checking the sidebar and the wiki before posting!). Please don't post involved questions that are better suited to a [Build Help], [Build Ready] or [Build Complete] post.
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| How to ship a (already built) PC overseas Posted: 12 Aug 2021 07:25 AM PDT I don't know if this is the right place to post this, if not I would appreciate recommendations for better subs. I'm moving from the US to Europe and I was wondering what the best way to ship my PC would be? Some answers I've heard are shipping it freight (expensive, maybe not safe for a PC) and taking it in my carryon (it's just too big) Edit: I will be moving again after about 2 years so the idea of selling and buying parts every time doesn't seem viable (except for the case) [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2021 08:31 AM PDT I have a RTX 2060 6 gb in my PC and a GTX 1060 3 gb in my old one. Could I put the 1060 in my PC if I have space and would it affect anything at all? To anyone being an ass. I just wanted to ask since this is a sub for those kind of questions and if you try searching on google most results that pop up is just pros and cons not actual answers. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I know this is probably a dumb question Posted: 12 Aug 2021 08:33 AM PDT But! I see different versions of the same GPU. Does this mean different companies have their same version of a 3080 or 3090 that nvidia makes? It gets kind of confusing. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2021 07:37 AM PDT Not sure if this is the best airflow solution or not, I used an image from Google to get my information on configurations. Apparently front is intake, bottom is intake, top is exhaust, and rear is exhaust. Is that right? [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2021 04:37 AM PDT Hey, so im building my first Pc and I wanted some Opinions about my setup: CPU is the Ryzen 7 3700x, 2x8gb Ram, B450 tomahawk max 2, 700w PSU, be quiet pure base 500dx as the case, 250gb SSD m.2, 1tb hdd and for the GPU i would either get a 2060/70 or the radeon 5700xt (red devil) whatever i can get my hands on. Would appreciate Help, if i picked a wrong part or I did something wrong. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2021 07:18 AM PDT I have watched hardware unboxed and gamers nexus and they both have said it isn't worth it, but they also said in the same sentences that the 3060 and 3060ti is also not worth it. So I'm kinda stuck when it comes to what is worth it for mid range? I currently have a RX6600xt on reserve for $630 CAD. It is hard to believe this is mid range when I paid $280 CAD for my GTX1060. Is the new mid range going to stay at this high prices? [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 5600x +3070Ti vs 5800x+3060Ti for editing or less RAM Posted: 12 Aug 2021 09:08 AM PDT I want to build a PC for Photo and Video editing, in Lightroom/Photoshop and Davinci Resolve. I am not shure with what to go with. 5600x and 3070Ti (28% better in Davinci Resolve) and 64Gb of RAM I often work with quite large Panoramas in Lightroom and Photoshop and Like to have both open at the same Time. Also this is my main use Davinci Resolve is just for 2-3 Projects a Year. What should I go with? [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| No display or power to mouse and key board Posted: 12 Aug 2021 07:25 AM PDT Cpu Ryzen 7 3600 Mobo Msi gaming plus x570 Gpu Radeon 5700xt saphhire nitro plus Ram 16gb tuf x xpg Psu corsair 650x bronze Xpg 500gb ssd m.2 3tb title Beach hard drive Not sure what else to try besides gpu or cpu. My tower turns on with everything inside. But getting no display. I have tried to reset the cmos Changed the psu, mobo, and gpu no change. The mother board gives me the stupid msi code lights, but each time I turn on the pc to test the light says gpu or cpu. Sometimes it does get stuck on the boot light, which the mouse and key board do light up then, but no display still. The cpu and gpu have never over heated I monitor the Temps regularly. I did check the cpu no burn marks etc and it is seated properly. The pc has had crashing issues before with the gpu causing screen to keep restarting, but has been a while since that happened, and was told it was a common issues with the radeon 5700s. My windows had also had an issue where it was glinching, making and times I went into windows setting it would scroll and auto select things. Two days ago after it glitched I turned it off to reset and have not been able to get it back running. Any help would be fantastic really hoping I won't have to drop a ton of money on a gpu or cpu Uodated: As of today8/12 I am getting no codes when starting it is just running with no display or power to mouse and key board. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2021 10:27 AM PDT Hi everyone, It's me, the guy who wrote the Ryzen B550 and X570 MOBO tier list. An update for that is coming very soon, that update to the list was delayed for a very good, important reason I will go into when I post the update. I've included Intel MOBOs for those of you looking at budget friendly 11400 CPUs. I also took a long break from social media, but I am back now. I'm seeing a lot of misconceptions, worried new builders, and bad takes about Ryzen 5000 series compatibility with 500 series Motherboards like A520, B550 and X570. So I wanted to provide a brief, easily linkable, guide that answers these questions and clears up some misconceptions. Even worse, many boards that lack BIOS flashback but are otherwise stupidly, amazingly good aren't being purchased despite many of them selling for insane deals, looking at you $150 dollar B550 Steel Legend, which is so much better then the MSI B550 A-pro it isn't even funny. I will be posting a shorter follow up guide when the Ryzen refresh comes out later this year, as that will change some of the info in this post. QUICK TLDR Your Ryzen 500 series motherboard is compatible now. You don't need BIOS flashback for your Ryzen 5600x, 5800x, 5900x, and 5950x. Stop panicking because you bought a board without BIOS Flashback. Don't panic about PCPartpicker's warning, it's just there to be helpful. Boards with BIOS Flashback actually have higher RMA rates then boards without BIOS Flashback. If incompatible boards were common and a major problem we would see the opposite. The numbers below are clear, 97-98% of all MOBOs are perfectly fine. You almost certainly have a higher chance of having a defective board then you do of having one that does not have a proper BIOS right now. There are a large number of posts regarding incompatible BIOS but the vast, vast, vast majority of them are A) Users asking about PCPartpicker's warning who haven't bought yet, B) Users with Defective boards that have BIOS Flashback, C) Users who bought a board, but didn't notice that the Box said Ryzen 5000 compatible, D) Users with a user error issue such as not using 32GB or lower flash drives, buying 400 or even 300 series boards and so on. E.) And of course, some of these users are people with an incompatible BIOS and despite the rarity of it happening it is still possible, just very rare. Since august 2020, all boards at the factory level have had a BIOS update that is compatible. Do note that boards produced between mid August and November 5th will still need a bios update for full functionality but can boot with a Ryzen 5000 CPU and update the BIOS with them. You will know your board is fine if it comes with a Ryzen 5000 compatible sticker or says so on the box. However, with the 5600g/5700g and the upcoming Ryzen refresh (whatever they call it), there will likely be a time where incompatible BIOS are somewhat common. However, even then, many of these boards have had compatible BIOS for MONTHS. Take the Asrock B550 Steel Legend, BIOS update P1.90 for Ryzen 5000G series CPUs was released March 5 2021, or 5 months ago. This means that all MOBOs produced at the factory for the last 5 months have had the BIOS for the 5600g. Finally, if you do get a board with an incompatible BIOS which is very rare, just RMA that shit. You don't need to deal with that crap. /END TLDR. TABLE OF CONTENTS: Part 1. The DATA.
PART 2: Addressing Concerns
Part 2: What to do if you have incompatible BIOS or think you have one.
MAIN POST: HARD DATA. or how likely are you to run into a board with incompatible BIOS? There is a lot of bad information posted recently about this. Stuff like you NEED a BIOS update, to 10% of boards need one, and so on. We can actually look up hard numbers. The German website Mindfactory.de, the largest PC retailer in Germany and major retailer in all of Europe, shows RMA rates on for products they sell. We will be using this data throughout this post. Note these numbers are slightly dated, as I began work on this post a couple weeks ago.
Important context. Next, things to note are that very high end MOBOs tend to have higher RMA rates, MOBOs that have been out a long time tend to have higher rates, and some mobos have zero RMA rates. Higher end MOBOs are likely to have high failure rates because they are so complex, and because they aren't sold in large numbers with many of these high end boards having only a few thousand made, meaning even 2-3 failures can heavily skew results. Next, Mobos being out longer having higher RMA rates makes sense, as Mobos have had more time to fail. Finally, the MOBOs with zero RMA rates is because these are newer more recent MOBOs that have not had time to have failures or have not had enough failures for Mindfactories statistics. Z490 has a higher RMA rate then B550 despite z490 not needing a BIOS update to work out of box with 10 series CPUs. So what does the DATA tell us. First, that boards with BIOS flashback have a higher failure rate then boards without. This actually surprised me, I expected it to be opposite but in small numbers, like .3 or .5 in favor of BIOS Flashback. Instead we see the opposite. There is likely some selection bias here, as new and inexperienced users are likely to buy boards with BIOS flashback and these users may be more likely to make mistakes that could fry their build. An experienced user like me, or one who already has a Ryzen 3000 CPU may be likely to self select a board without BIOS flashback cause they know they don't need it. However, this cuts both ways and is a wash as far as I am concerned, an inexperienced user is likely to hold onto their board too long past reasonable RMA times or try to find an alternate solution. Whereas someone like me is going to be pissed and RMA the board in a heartbeat, and demand one with an updated BIOS if such a BIOS exists and a retailer instead sold me an outdated board. Also, Mindfactory does have a store front where users can likely pay to update a non updated BIOS, so this could skew results a bit, but only a tiny bit as Mindfactory.de is mostly an online business and with Covid lock downs, I doubt they were doing much in-store business. Second, It shows X570 has a higher RMA rate then B550. This actually does make sense. x570 was out for a year before Ryzen 5000, so it is likely that there were more non-updated boards for sale when Ryzen 5000 was released. However, could this be explained by X570 having higher end boards? Interestingly enough, I did a quick chart of intel z490 (no board names, just the numbers), and intel's z490 RMA rate 2.049047619, which is higher then B550 as whole, despite Z490 being a higher end product stack like X570. Since z490 did not need a BIOS update at all with 10000 series intel processors, this is a nice control. B550 has less RMA returns then z490. This likely means nearly all B550s should be updated, and likely most were updated back in September, otherwise, we would see higher RMA rates in line with x570. Third, does this mean x570 isn't updated? NO. It means there were more non-updated boards on the shelf at launch, and once these sold through, x570 boards were updated. So there would have been spike in RMA's back then and then they would have fallen back to earth. Fourth, This data shows how rare the defect rates of motherboards are, with many boards having rates of 1 failure out every 50 or so boards. Even with x570, the boards hovering around 3% on average. This is exactly in line with standard defect rates. 3% is considered acceptable by most companies. Finally, one last detail, this data also shows that Asrock has an undeserved reputation, and that their boards do not fail at higher rates then other companies. Instead, the inverse is true. How Long have Ryzen 500 series had an updated bios? For B550 only the initial production runs had an incompatible BIOS. We know this because the B550 release date was June 16, 2020. In late August, a mere 2 months later, AMD rolled out an AGESA update that added drop in support for Ryzen 5000 CPUs, meaning you could drop in a 5000 series CPU and the computer would boot enough that you could update to the newest BIOS without needing a previous gen CPU. A520 released on August 18th, right around the same time as that AGESA update came out. Now, whether all A520 MOBOs were compatible on a drop in level, I don't know, but even so if some did release not compatible it would have been a small number. X570 is more complicated. First, X570 Boards got this same BIOS update that B550 Boards had in August 2020, but since many x570 boards were still on shelf at the time, there were more boards that needed an update in the wild. For example, the Asus X570 TUF Plus WIFI has been validated for Ryzen 5000 since bios update 2607 which came out August 17 2020. Yet this was a surprisingly common board for BIOS issues last fall just because it was a really popular board. Still, almost every one of these boards sold through quickly. Every x570 board produced since last August has had an updated bios of some kind. It will be incredibly rare to get a non-updated x570 or B550. So all 500 series MOBOs produced since august of 2020 have had an update that can boot a Ryzen 5000 series chip. What about 500 series boards that have been sitting on shelf for a while? This is still technically possible. You have a higher chance of having a defective board then you do of having one that does not have a proper BIOS right now. So it isn't something to worry about, unless you are buying an updated CPU. Just treat your board like it's defective and RMA the board for one that does. Let's talk about the concept of sell-through. Basically, the boards with old BIOS will sell off the shelves, leaving only updated boards. 2020 and 2021 have had the largest demand for PC parts in history. Boards makers, chip makers and so on are selling everything chip, board or GPU they can produce. All chip fabs and lines everywhere are running at full capacity. So the chance of you not getting an updated board is going to be tiny. I would shocked and consider it a high estimate, if as of right now, 1 out of every 1000 new (as in not used) 500 Series motherboards on shelves had an old BIOS from before august, especially in light of COVID demand. Hold on, there is no way to prove that data includes RMA's due to incompatible BIOS. First, keep in mind the z490 and B550 RMA rates. This means either incompatible BIOSes are an inconsequential and rare problem, or B550 has a massive and magically lower defect rate then z490. The numbers show that it 97% or better on average for all 500 series boards are defective in some way, including needing a BIOS update. If there were high numbers of incompatible boards a lot of inexperienced users would be returning them, and pissed hobbyists like me would be returning them. Recently, a major power user here at buildpac who posts daily said that 500 series have a 90% chance of being fine. This is the sort of unsourced misinformation I want to combat. Let's assume that that 90% of new working non-defective MOBOs on shelves have an updated BIOS, and 10% of boards have old BIOS and need an alternative solution such as an AMD BIOS boot kit, paying a fee at a repair shop or buying a Ryzen 3000 CPU. Remember when I said z490 and B550 have almost the exact same RMA rates. Of that 10% of boards that allegedly had an incompatible BIOS, if 50% of users found alternative solutions and the other 50% RMAed the boards we that would mean only 95% of boards in total were fine. We should see B550 defect rates as high as 6-7% when we factor in boards being defective. Even if 90% found alternative solutions and 10% RMAed, we should see still see a 1% increase in B550 vs Z490. Instead, we see nothing in the statistics to indicate a large number of incompatible BIOS on 500 series mobos. PART 2: Addressing Concerns. Help, PCPpartpicker says this: Warning! Some AMD B550 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Vermeer CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions. HELP ME! Relax. This is a boilerplate warning that PCPartpicker puts up. It can mostly be ignored if you are buying a Ryzen 5600x, 5800x, 5900x, or 5950x. This warning is basically to do more research, and that PCPartpicker cannot determine the BIOS number themselves. My post you are reading right now, should have all the research and advice you need to make an informed decision. IT DOES NOT say anywhere that your B550 or X570 MOBO is guaranteed to be incompatible. Just that you need to do the best research you can. Also, some of PCPartpicker's warnings are there to protect PCPartpicker from liability. Not to ensure everything on your build is 100% compatible, fits perfectly in the case you want, or works at listed speed. PCPartpicker's warnings and compatibility are great tools, that most of us hobbyists can't live without, but they don't say absolutely everything. At some point you have to look up whether say an NH D15 Cooler fits your chosen case, and so on. PCPartpicker can't check everything. For example, PCPartpicker does not include a warning about the need to turn XMP on so your ram runs at it's listed speeds. XMP doesn't always work, and some idiot will blame PCPartpicker for telling them to turn on XMP and crashing their system. We know this will happen because people here on this subreddit have literally gotten real angry at us on buildapc for recommending XMP and it not working. I have seen, read these posts and responded to them. PCPartpicker would rather your RAM runs at 2133 or 2666 or whatever, then deal with a lawsuit from an irate psycho. Keep in mind, when you build a PC, it is on YOU to make sure everything is fine, not PCPartpicker or anyone else. PCPartpickers compatibility checker is not perfect, just really, really good. So what about all those posts from users with incompatible boards, we see them daily. This is an applied effect of the law of large numbers. Basically, hundreds of people are buying MOBOs every day. This means some number will get a bad board, and some of those will post here. Basically, mindfactory's RMA rates show Ryzen 500 series boards are 97-98% fine, and with only 2-3% chance of needing RMA. This means that out of every 100 boards 2-3 may be defective in some way, including an old BIOS, which by now should be treated as defective and RMA returned back. There are hundreds of people building or working on a PC at r/buildapc each day, so the fact that we see daily threads is not surprising, if 2% of those hundreds of users have defective boards, that could still be 3-5 people a day. However, I have been tracking these posts the last month. First, the vast majority of them are users asking about PCPartpicker's warning, NOT users who already have a board. This skews things so it feels like there are more people who have BIOS issues, when in reality most are asking about this issue, before ever buying a board. Also, a chunk of users have bought a board, but realized they may have an incompatible board, then when asked whether the board came with Ryzen 5000 compatible sticker they go silent, likely because they missed a decently large bright orange sticker on the box, and now realize they are fine. Next up, a decent chunk of these posts are users buying used or "new" never used boards. The used market is rife with boards people don't want, as things like GPU shuffles have had cheap MOBOs as extra parts. There is decent chance companies used this as an excuse to dump unpopular boards that have been sitting on a shelf. So far this post has focused on new boards, however, used boards can be very risky, make sure you know if the used board you are buying is updated. Do not buy used MOBOs unless the seller is willing to take a picture of the box with a Ryzen 5000 compatible sticker on the box, or show you a screen shot of the BIOS. Next up, a smaller chunk of these post are users who bought older 400 or 300 series boards assuming they would be compatible, only to find out they weren't. Nuh,uh! I work in PC sales and we are still getting/in my country is getting boards with an old BIOS The numbers above do not show this, so why are some people reporting this issue? The full answer is, I don't know for a fact. I can only the post the mindfactory numbers above. Now, the following is based on anecdotes, but these anecdotes come from discussions I have had with users here over the past couple years: I have sneaking suspicion that certain retailers or companies are getting stock with updated BIOSes and other companies are quietly getting boards with outdated BIOS on them. If we look recent amazon or newegg reviews, many boards with no BIOS flashback have reviews that say they have received ready to go boards that work perfectly out of box. This makes me think that these large scale companies are prioritized for boards with updated BIOS. Whereas some company who builds a lot of PCs for consumers may be getting old stock these companies have lying around with assumption they will update the BIOS in house. Also, I don't trust these companies. A couple years back, in the B450/x570 Ryzen 3000 days, I had several conversations regarding a board I was constantly recommending. A few people from Eastern Europe and one guy from Italy swore the company who made this board had dumped old, non updated versions of this board in parts of Europe, and it was incredibly common to get non-updated versions. I don't know if that was true, or again the large numbers above. No one I ever recommended this b450 board to ever responded to me about an outdated BIOS. I would not put it past these companies to be dumping RMA'd boards with old BIOSes in countries without strong consumer enforcement, on like pre-built companies or smaller retailers. How would anyone ever know? The vast majority of MOBO boxes aren't sealed nowadays. It would be trivial for a MOBO company to receive an otherwise fine board with an outdated BIOS, make sure all the packaging is there, toss in some sata cables or m.2 screw if it isn't there, and ship it to somewhere else, instead of adding a new BIOS to it in factory. The above 3 paragraphs are speculation but it is based on conversations I have I had with several people here and at other sites. However, the numbers above regarding mindfactory's RMA rates are clear. 97-98% sold by them are not being returned. If incompatible BIOS were really common at retailers that sell boards directly to the customer, we should see higher RMA rates then we do. Furthermore, we should see a lot more recent reviews at amazon reporting MOBOs with BIOS incompatibility. Again, we see neither. So what you are saying is it is still possible to get a non updated board / I bought a MOBO and it had an old BIOS and it was recent! Checkmate Atheists! Sure. Absolutely. And it will happen to some tiny percentage of people who will read this post, buy a MOBO, and end up with something not compatible. Remember what I said above, some number of users will encounter this problem. Keep in mind the numbers above. Only 2-3% of all boards are being returned. If outdated BIOS were common, these numbers should be higher. There is an average 600-1000 posts at Buildapc a day. Last fall the numbers were 4-5 times higher then that. If say 33% or 1/3 of those 600-1000 posts are builders putting together builds to assemble, that's 200-330 builds posted here each day. If the above RMA numbers are true, then that is 4-6 of these people a day who may have gotten a defective board. In the 9 months since Ryzen 5000 came out that is several thousand people. So yes, there are probably a lot of users who have had an outdated bios, or a defective board of some type. This subreddit deals with large volumes of people each day, and that can make things like this feel larger then they are. I don't deny that these boards exist even now, I deny that it is a large scale problem affecting most 500 series boards. In fact, I would go so far as to say that you are more likely to have a defective board then one with incompatible BIOS. Part 3: What to do if you have incompatible BIOS or you think you have one. Defective boards vs Boards that need BIOS updates. A large amount of posts regarding this issue are defective boards. A defective board and incompatible BIOS will usually look exactly the same in that both boards will not POST. In many cases, people are asking about a incompatible BIOS are users with boards that have BIOS flashback, and they have used BIOS flashback, and yet the board still refuses to boot. Many users have blamed an incompatible BIOS, as opposed to a defective board. Obviously a board can be defective for other reasons such as bent pin on USB 3.0 port, or a faulty PCIE slot or a defective wifi card, but these issues shouldn't prevent a boot. It is almost impossible to tell the difference between a board that's defect causes it to not boot, and a board without an updated bios. BIOS Flashback is not 100% reliable. The statistics above are clear. Boards with BIOS flashback have higher RMA rates. You should never use CPUless BIOS flashback until you have determined if your PC posts. In other words, you should install the CPU, Cooler, RAM, GPU and PSU, and see if you can POST to BIOS with your CPU installed. In the past, MSI, for example, had a ton of issues with the Ryzen 3000 launch and bios flashback. A lot users are reporting that they used bios flashback before doing anything else. BIOS flashback should be used as a last resort, not the first. Always check to see if your board boots with CPU installed first. Attempt to determine whether your board should be posting. First, Make sure you have board that is compatible on a chipset level. So NO Ryzen 5000 on old B350 and x370 boards. B450 and x470 are highly unlikely to be updated unless they are a handful specific re-released boards. Keep in mind the VAST majority of B450 and X470 lack BIOS flashback, so you may be out of luck on this. I've seen several posts in the last few weeks with this issue where users bought old 300 or 400 series MOBOs only to not understand why they don't work. Next, if you have a B550 board with a Ryzen 5000 compatible sticker on the box, your board does not need a BIOS update. However, it may need one for a 5600g or 5700g even if it still has that sticker, if it was produced before march. Next, do a test assemble of your PC outside the case on top of the MOBO box. Add the CPU, Cooler, RAM, GPU and plug into a monitor to see if it boots. If boots you likely don't need to update the bios, but you might. Your BIOS version number should appear on screen. If you have an older BIOS then the one at your MOBOs website, you may consider updating, but if everything is working fine, it isn't necessary. If your board is not posting, make sure to check all connections. On a used PC I am putting up for sale, I could not for the life of me figure out why it wasn't posting. Turns out I had forgotten to plug in the GPU to the PSU. I was running around using debug codes and such, and the whole time I had forgotten to check the most basic thing. Reseat all RAM, check the PSU cables are correctly plugged in and then see if it posts. If your board does not POST, what do you do? If you have BIOS flashback, this is when you will follow your motherboard manufacturers recommendation for BIOS Flashback on their specific system. However, If your motherboard does not post still, one thing some users have had success with is attempting to flash an older compatible BIOS and then stepping up from there to a newer compatible bios until they have the most updated bios. YMMV. If you don't have BIOS Flashback or BIOS flashback doesn't work, RMA the board. Return it. If a compatible bios exists, you should not have to deal with that shit if that BIOS has been out months, and there is no guarantee that the board is not defective. And if you do have BIOS flashback you have a defective board. Too many new PC builders fear the RMA and a defect. This is why you buy all of your parts together. So if something doesn't work you can return it in the easy to return window. Most companies offer 30 day no questions asked return and replace. Look, if you are building PCs, and you are buying 7-12 components per build, Monitor, keyboard, mouse, CPU, Cooler, MOBO, RAM, SSD, HDD, PSU, CASE, Fans, RGB strips, fan controllers, wifi cards, and so on. Assuming an average of 3% defect rate per part, you are bound to come across something that does not work once you join this hobby and start building multiple PCs. I have assembled 3-4 PCs in my life, and added parts to prebuilts before that. And yes, I have had faulty parts. For me it has been a Keyboard, wifi card, and MOBO IIRC, and maybe something else. Just relax, and return it. If you don't want to RMA it, you can go through AMDs loaner CPU program, but this usually takes longer then just RMAing a board. Next, you can usually pay to have the BIOS updated from a local computer repair shop. Conclusion, Stop panicking about the BIOS Your board is likely fine, PCPartpicker is being paranoid, the RMA rates are clear. You are more likely to get a defective board as you are a bad BIOS. If you do get a bad board, just RMA that shit. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| How does wake-on-lan technology work? Posted: 12 Aug 2021 05:33 AM PDT How does wake-on-lan tech work? Are there PC switches that work over the internet that can be installed in my PCs? It would be very useful for my usecase. I have several PCs around my home for different purposes. One is for the living room / server, one is my gaming PC, and another is my partner's Mac Pro. I leave my living room / server pc running 24/7 so that I can connect to it with a Steam Link in the bedroom or so I can VNC into it while not at home. However, being able to remotely turn on any of these devices would be very useful to me. Is this possible? Does anyone have any experience with this / know what to buy? Thanks. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| i have ordered the following gfx card, motherboard pc case will i need a card brace Posted: 12 Aug 2021 07:59 AM PDT phantex eclipse p400 air gigabyte x570 aorus master gigabyte 3080ti gaming OC 12gb ive been reading about some people needing card braces with large cards and i dont have the PC yet and was thinking about getting something in preperation .. if i do indeed need one what would you all recomend - i need it available in the uk perferably from amazon as i have prime (i like the fast free shipping and i use instant video a lot) [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 11 Aug 2021 09:25 PM PDT Hello, I posted a while ago about a driver crash issue (Error 4101) where Valorant and other stuff would crash. Well I finally figured it out, it all due to one faulty stick of ram…. I never tested them out individually, since I assumed they were good. Due to passing memtest86 and the windows memory test. Anyways, I'm going to microcenter this Friday to return the ram.. since I have the opportunity, should I go ahead and upgrade to 32 GB? Is it worth it or just overkill? Here's the rest of my build, thanks! 5800x with z73 3070 TI FE MSI B550 Gaming Edge Wifi 1 TB Gen 4 SSD Leadex 3 Gold 750 W PSU Dead ram was Triden Z 3600 2 x 8 GB [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Is there anything wrong with the NZXT H510? Posted: 12 Aug 2021 08:22 AM PDT What gives? I see nothing buy high reviews online, but every time I see someone talking about it here, they reference other cases. All the builds I've seen in this case look great.. I have a 240 rad, but I may go to 360. Is there some problem that enthusiasts have with this case? What other cases would you recommend then? [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2021 07:54 AM PDT After finding myself in the unfortunate situation of having my graphics card die in the middle of 2021 I decided to finally build my first tower PC. I already bit the bullet and got myself a 1050 ti as a temporary solution but am unsure on the CPU. 5600g or x? From my limited understanding the X has more overclocking potential since a chip that is binned for 5600G will probably never achieve X speeds whereas the X could potentially overclock much more. But that's a gamble. Strictly going by advertised speeds the 30 bucks it costs me to upgrade increase the price by a higher percentage than the performance and I could spend the money on much more impactful things such as a better motherboard or wireless keyboard. I am also more of an undervolting person to reduce heat and noise in my small apartment and the CPU is overkill for the 1050 ti no matter what. So, with that in mind, should I go for the G or X? X could potentially have more undervolting potential but G has an integrated graphics card. When I am not playing demanding video games this would allow me to rely on the iGPU and cut the wattage of my 1050 ti to 0. Edit: Well that was pretty unanimous. Thanks everyone for the explanations, guess I will get the X after all. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2021 08:14 AM PDT I have the option of getting a 5950x for $720 or a 5900x for $500. I'll use either one for gaming and streaming aaa games at 1440p 60 fps. any thoughts? for price per core the 5900x has better value but I was considering the 5950x for the extra longevity. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| PC thinks my monitor is an ultrawide with out of range error Posted: 12 Aug 2021 08:17 AM PDT Woke up this morning with my LG monitor resolution set to 3440x1440 ultra wide with an out of range error. NVIDIA Control Panel shows this monitor as an LG Ultrawide when it's an LG27GL850 (2560x1440). When switching back to normal resolution I am getting black bars and the out of range error still. I updated drivers and rebooted in safe mode with no success. Any ideas? [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| PC crashing when exiting games/going from high load to low load Posted: 12 Aug 2021 12:24 PM PDT Hi, so recently I have started having a problem where almost every time I exit a game, my PC/ GPU will freeze up and I will have to do a full reboot in order to fix it. It seems to be related to the power draw dropping fast since it only ever happens when either exiting a game or exiting back to the main menu for example. It never really crashes when im actually playing the game. So far I've tried replacing my PSU and the RAM, I've tried unplugging my Wacom One drawing tablet, I've reinstalled Windows, I've also tried resetting BIOS to default. Whenever it crashes, Event Viewer gives me this error "The description for Event ID 14 from source nvlddmkm cannot be found. Either the component that raises this event is not installed on your local computer or the installation is corrupted. You can install or repair the component on the local computer. If the event originated on another computer, the display information had to be saved with the event. The following information was included with the event: \Device\0000009f 0000(0000) 00000000 00000000 The message resource is present but the message was not found in the message table" My specs are GPU: RTX 3080 FE CPU: AMD Ryzen 3800X RAM 16GB G skill Mobo: ASUS X570-E Gaming Monitor LG 27UK600-W PSU: Corsair RM850X [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2021 12:24 PM PDT I know this isn't the right place to ask this question but this is the best place I can find so Im having a problem with my monitor hz, for some reason whenever I start watching a stream on discord start uploading something like a video to discord or start recording with obs, my game feels crappy but Im at above 144 fps consistently and here are my specs: - Geforce Rtx 3060 - Intel i5 11600kf unlocked - 2 tb hdd - 512 gb ssd - 16 gb ram Good airflow no overheating. Its a desktop and my monitor is some LG one thats 144 hz and nvidia g sync. I wanna record in high fps but my game looks crappy even when its above 144 fps whenever Im recording in 120 or 240 fps or even 60 fps, only case is Geforce Experience when Im recording with that my game isn't crappy. Only problem I can think of is that my monitor hz goes down because Im trying to record in high framerate in good settings and my Gpu can't have a 144 hz display record in good framerate and run a game at good fps and it lowers my hz but in my recording the game also looks crappy so please tell me why I have tried everything I can think of. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| What GPU temperature should I pay attention to? GPU Hotspot or GPU Temperature Posted: 12 Aug 2021 01:56 PM PDT I was playing it takes two and these are my temperature readings on HW info: GPU Hotspot : 86 degrees GPU Temperature: 67 degrees Which temperature is the actual GPU temperature everyone uses for benchmark or quality checks? [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2021 10:55 AM PDT They're both 3600 CL 16 but they have different timings and I don't really know what that means. Looking for guidance which is better/recommended. Will be for gaming if that matters. Thanks in advance. Vs Crucial Ballistix 3600 MHz DDR4 DRAM Desktop Gaming Memory Kit 16GB (8GBx2) CL16 BL2K8G36C16U4B They have different timings per this website [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Found a old Pentium g620 what can I do with it? Posted: 12 Aug 2021 12:54 AM PDT | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2021 07:07 AM PDT I am building my first PC and of course like everyone else I am really struggling on the GPU front. I understand that NVIDIA is the gold standard and then EVGA is really good too. But those are impossible to grab right now. My goal is achieve 1080p 144Hz and now I am recently looking into AMD cards but from what I gather they are not very reliable? If anyone could explain to me why AMD isnt considered to be as quality and maybe recommend a card that could achieve the performance i am looking for? Even if its AMD. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ever since upgrading to a NVMe SSD, I get random blue screens with WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR Posted: 12 Aug 2021 06:25 AM PDT As the title says I am getting WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR BSOD at seemingly random times -- typically when playing video games. The big issue is that when the BSOD appears, it claims it is creating a minidump file, but even after leaving the PC there to process for a few hours, the progress stays at 0% for the minidump.
Without the minidump file being generated I have no idea where to go from here, and have no idea what might be causing the issues. Just for some added info, around the same time I get the new NVMe, I also OCed my RAM but have since reverted. I also enabled the necessary BIOS settings (TPM) for win11 even though my specs technically do not support them on the windows minimum specs page. Those have also been reverted in hopes of fixing this BSOD issue. additionally, I recently got a USB audio interface (Motu M2) but I don't see how that would be causing any sort of BSOD. Lastly I have updated all drivers and done all windows updates. You can find a list of my specs below:
Can anyone please provide any further debugging steps or help in solving this BSOD? [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I believe my GPU or PSU is dying; how can I figure out which one? Posted: 12 Aug 2021 07:01 AM PDT So since recently any slightly more demanding game CTDs after only a couple minutes/seconds. Cyberpunk, Mafia Definitive Edition, the new AoE4 beta, CIV6.. Sudden crash to desktop without warning, usually the game sound keeps running in the background. PC never freezes, only the game shuts down. But stuff like Hearthstone is fine. And it kept getting more frequent. What I've found out:
My rig is: Ryzen 3600x GTX 1080 2x8GB 3200Mhz RAM Corsair CX750 PSU B450 Tomahawk How do I find out what is the problem here? both the GPU and PSU ive had for quite a long time. [link] [comments] |
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